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Permalink Reply by Anthony T. Howard on August 22, 2012 at 7:20am

Ron Paul isnt qualified, holy f'n cow man. He is the only one who has been consistent in his policies for years . If Obama rigs the election we need to march on DC & show them we arent playing games anymore...Lets just drop our loyalty for someone & vote for whom you say...Let me tell you something, I as with millions more have the right to think & vote how thy want & if shit gets worse then take up arms to get their attention that we arent going to stand for it anymore...We didnt start this fight but we very well might finish it.

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Permalink Reply by Leon Myers on August 22, 2012 at 7:46am

You are correct in saying he has been consistent in his policies. Unfortunately the extreme majority understandthat he policies are flawed. His view on foreign policy is as an isolationist, that is one of the man reasons the things get so screwed up. We must support those that are like minded outside of the US, if not then we will have another World War. The veteran knows why we fight and yes the president (not just Obama) have sent troops were they should not be. As for who or what you choose to vote for is your priviledge. You should be very informed of just what you are voting for. That is what this whole discussion is about. Trying to make all voters a little more informed of all ramifications of that vote. I hope that answers you comments.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony T. Howard on August 22, 2012 at 7:13am

Why is Ron Paul a disrespectful man? He would have a good chance if Republican party didnt sideline him and keep his delegates at bay...I dont trust the party or the system anymore, it has been corrupt for too long...

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Permalink Reply by Leon Myers on August 22, 2012 at 7:32am

Anthony the reason he is disrespectful is simple that he has ran as an independent and as a ibertarian in the past and now he is running as a Republican and the total deligates he has is less than 10%e of the total. He should have excepted the fact that he is not the candidate and then he should have supported the candidate that is and was selected. Romney is that candidate, I would have like several others but the fact is the fact. What is happening now is he is allowing his backers to go off on a tangent an talking writing in or other ways of not supporting the candidate of the party he ran under -- He is causing the splitting of the vote and thus Obama chances has increased three fold! That is why.

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Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on August 22, 2012 at 1:42am

GOP convention to seat Paul delegates
By Marsha Shuler

Capitol news bureau

August 22, 2012

http://theadvocate.com/home/3693428-125/gop-convention-to-seat-paul

A compromise reached Tuesday will result in some Ron Paul supporters being seated as Louisiana delegates to the Republican presidential nominating convention, which opens next week in Tampa.

The Paul campaign withdrew its formal challenge of delegates submitted by the state GOP after Republican National Committee leaders reversed course and agreed to seat 17 Paul delegates, state party and Paul campaign officials said.

“It’s a multi-state deal, including Maine, Massachusetts and Louisiana, that the Romney campaign and the RNC brokered,” state Party executive director Jason Doré said.

The convention at which former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is scheduled to become the party’s official presidential candidate opens Monday.

“It wasn’t anything to do with the merits of our case. It’s more the dynamics of the situation, to prevent any sideshow or convention disruption. We wanted to get all that behind us going into convention week so we could focus on what we are here to do: nominate our presidential candidate,” Doré said.

The decision came before a scheduled Tuesday hearing before the RNC’s Committee on Credentials. Earlier, a panel of the RNC rejected Paul arguments that Louisiana’s state party violated its own bylaws and the RNC rules to “handpick” delegates and alternates.

State party leaders said they operated within the rules.

“The important thing is that they recognized what happened here in Louisiana was wrong,” said Charlie Davis, state director for Texas congressman Paul’s campaign. “This is a huge victory and a testament to the validity of our claims throughout the entire process.”

“Very rarely do this many delegates change this late in the process” and the Paul delegates will be scrambling to make arrangements to get to Tampa and participate, Davis said.

Doré said the compromise leads to a change in 17 of the state’s 46 convention delegates. It does not affect alternate delegates, he said. Which party submitted delegates will be ousted has not yet been determined, Doré said.

“It’s a very fluid situation,” Doré said. He said the Paul group has submitted its “wish-list and we are having to go through and see how we can fit them in.”

Doré said the RNC has agreed to provide credentials for people who lose their delegate status as a result of the deal.

The convention delegate dispute stems from actions that occurred at a June 2 state convention in Shreveport called to elect delegates to the Republican Party’s presidential nominating convention. The state convention was dominated by Paul delegates elected in regional caucuses — 111 out of 180 delegates.

The Paul faction alleged that Villere and the party’s executive committee changed the rules at the last minute to orchestrate “a rump convention” that included a minority of convention delegates and that the executive committee overstepped its authority.

Paul supporters splintered off and conducted their own convention, electing a slate of delegates and alternates that they said should be legally recognized.

The Paul camp challenged 64 of Louisiana’s 89 delegates and alternates, claiming the results were not valid.

Davis had submitted a 20-page memorandum to RNC members detailing where he said the party ran afoul of state party and RNC rules for delegate selection.

“If the Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Louisiana is allowed to get away with such a blatant power grab, in broad daylight, it will create a series of negative consequences,” said Davis, a former state party executive director.

Davis said it “disenfranchises a critical voting block for this election cycle and possibly future ones as well. We need Ron Paul voters working alongside Republican candidates at all levels. Not working against them because the Republican Party has mistreated them.”

Davis said it would also discourage future participants and “encourages and empowers players in other states to try similar tactics next time.”

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Permalink Reply by Roy Patterson on August 22, 2012 at 10:13am

Another reason Obama may get re-elected even if he loses.

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Permalink Reply by Leon Myers on August 22, 2012 at 10:33am

I love it! Pretty much says it all!

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Permalink Reply by Anthony T. Howard on August 22, 2012 at 10:44am

illegal alien undocumented demorats is fitting

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Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on August 22, 2012 at 11:05am

Scytl: Voter Fraud Facts and Fiction
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2012

With six months until Election Day, conspiracy theories are percolating on the Internet like bubbling mud pots at Yellowstone: Left-wing billionaire George Soros is going to rig the election for Barack Obama. Foreigners will oversee the nation’s entire vote-counting system. The fix is in, and all is lost.

Before conservatives go all Michael Moore-moonbatty, let’s calm down and separate voter fraud facts from fiction. There’s no time to waste worrying about manufactured scares. And there are plenty of legitimate threats to electoral integrity without having to inflate or concoct them.

FACT: Scytl is a Spain-based business that specializes in “electoral security technology” and electronic voting applications. Its cryptographic research initially was funded by the Spanish government’s Ministry of Science and Technology and later was spun off as a private-sector e-voting venture.

FACT: In January 2012, Scytl acquired U.S.-based SOE Software. SOE writes “election management” programs that assist officials with everything from “Internet voting to election night reporting and online poll worker training.”

FICTION: According to alarmists, Scytl’s acquisition of SOE amounts to a complete takeover of America’s election system. No, not really. While SOE boasts of a presence “with 900 jurisdictions as customers in 26 states,” there is no single contract that the federal government has entered into, or could, with Scytl to count the 2012 presidential election votes. Much of the work Scytl/SOE analysts do is number-crunching and graphics software work after local and state officials have done the vote-counting.

Scytl does have a contract with the feds to use its technology to help overseas and military voters participate in elections. In 2009, the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act mandated that U.S. jurisdictions allow uniformed and overseas citizens to receive and track their ballots electronically. Scytl’s online ballot program was used in 14 states during the 2010 midterms.

FACT: The security risks of e-voting are still a legitimate concern. University of California at Berkeley computer science professor David Wagner wrote a critical report for the Pentagon about the privacy and accuracy shortcomings of Scytl’s military voting program in 2004 — which prompted the feds to cancel the initial program, according to PBS.

In October 2010, the D.C. Board of Elections and Ethics encouraged outside parties to try to find security holes in their online balloting infrastructure operated by Scytl. A group of University of Michigan students successfully hacked into the system, commandeered passwords, doctored ballots and programmed audio of the school’s fight song to play whenever an e-ballot was submitted.

Hackers from Iran and China also came close to breaking in. “After the hack,” according to AOLNews.com, “(D.C.) administrators decided to relaunch under a download-only format, allowing users to access ballots but forcing them to fax or mail them rather than cast a vote online.” The D.C. official who oversaw the system, Paul Stenbjorn, now works for Scytl.

FICTION: Chain e-mails about Scytl claim that George Soros owns, operates or controls Scytl. In reality, the company’s investors are Nauta Capital, Balderton Capital and Spinnaker SCR. Soros doesn’t “own” any of these international venture capital firms — and as far as my research shows, he has no involvement whatsoever with any of them. Moreover, Scytl’s board of directors doesn’t include anyone with Soros financial or management ties. Pressed for evidence, one Internet conspiracy nut cited an “invitation only event” in Moldova that listed both the “Soros Foundation Moldova” and Scytl as attendees.

Soros has enough explicit ties to President Obama’s administration and campaign without having to embellish them. Just this week, The New York Times reported that he will donate $1 million each to a Democratic super-PAC and a leading progressive get-out-the-vote (GOTV) operation. Soros previously funded Project Vote, the notorious voter-mobilization arm of fraud-perpetrating ACORN for whom Obama canvassed in Illinois.

And that brings us to the less exotic, but far more routine, kind of election insecurity that plagues the country. Hardware and software will never be completely fail-safe, no matter where it originates. But it’s the people, personnel and voter registration and verification rules in place right here at home that matter most.

FACT: Over the past five months, investigative journalist James O’Keefe and his Project Veritas team have exposed systemic lapses at precincts in New Hampshire, Minnesota, Vermont and Washington, D.C. The ballots of famous public figures have been forked over to complete strangers; disenfranchisement of legitimate voters is routine. While Minnesota and New Hampshire legislators have passed new voter integrity/identification laws, O’Keefe now has been targeted for investigation and possible prosecution for blowing the whistle. And Attorney General Eric Holder is striking his usual see-no-evil, shoot-the-messenger, play-the-race-card pose.

The solution isn’t to sit back and bemoan a fantastical global conspiracy. The solution is to get off the couch, support election integrity activists like O’Keefe, and turn out in force on Election Day to eject Obama’s voter fraud coddlers. Like the old saying goes: If it ain’t close, they can’t cheat.

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More election integrity activists you should support: Election Law Center, King Street Patriots and True the Vote. Words of wisdom:

We at True the Vote believe that the best safeguard against any potential problems in our elections is an active, organized, educated citizenry who are willing to take personal responsibility, stand in whatever gaps in our electoral system exist, and work to improve them. Now is not the time for panic. Let’s get some answers, figure out what’s going on, then spread the word. We are asking Congress and the FEC to address what, if any, role they had in approving the SCYTL/SOE purchase and what the impact will be, if any, to online military vote processing.

Here’s how you can help:

Contact your Secretary of State and ask them to provide a statement on how votes are tabulated and reported in your state and if SCYTL/SOE is involved at any point in the process…

Volunteer to help True the Vote. Commit to get involved, to volunteer at the polls, to record the final vote tallies at the polls where you work, to track those tallies, make sure they are being accurately reported, and be prepared to take meaningful and swift action if breaches are found to exist. We won’t change the electoral process until we are willing to roll up our sleeves and take responsibility for it. Sustained responsibility.

Never forget, we are not victims. Victims have no options. We do. Though stories like this will shake us up, we must remain resolved to keep level heads, acknowledge real problems when they exist, work towards solutions, and not get caught up in rumor or manufactured hype. The days ahead will test the mettle of us all. But see victory, not defeat.

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Permalink Reply by Leon Myers on August 22, 2012 at 11:32am

Thank you very much for the information. Like you I have researched alot of it before. But I like the parts that I had missing. I have tried to make sure people research these things and be a truly informed voter. Again thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Betty b. on August 23, 2012 at 8:32am

Let's see, Obama's heart & mind is not for "We the People". Romney is for sure not for the American People. He is for the 1% and those who line his pockets. Now that leaves you & I out in the cold. Remember everyone, these candidates are not picked for their moral compress. They are picked to do marching orders. There again, "We the People" are left behind. I don't know about you but I have always chosen someone by their merits and moral compress not their party line or connections. For right now, it looks like Ron Paul, but if someone else steps up to the plate, I do have the freedom of choice and I can vote for a more qualified candidate. Who knows what is going to happen between now and voting day? Have a great day everyone.

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Permalink Reply by Leon Myers on August 23, 2012 at 2:10pm

It truly amazes me the class envy shown much in Ron Paul candidate -- do you remember Ron Paul is also rich and he is also part of the 1%. Try finding someone else.

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