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To Sue Beckwith :
Actually,you backing Christian fundamentalist and self-appointed "President" & Tim Turner is only hurting your credibility. Way before Drake ever appeared on the scene, there were allegations of Tim Turner being a FEMA OPERATIVE.
Check these articles (or Google "Tim Turner FEMA" there are plenty of other sources discussing this) http://nesaranews.blogspot.ca/2012/01/tim-turner-benedict-arnold-of... http://nesaranews.blogspot.ca/2010/07/was-tim-turner-trained-to-sub...
To be fair, people are free to look for themselves on Youtube whether they feel like trusting this Tim Turner and his vice-president. Personally I dont trust him at all, there's something fishy about him (gut feeling, instinct).
As far as I'm concerned, even if both sides turned out to be an elaborate hoax (Drake/Wilcok/Fulford VS Tim Turner)... At least on the Drake side of things, they DID produce some paperwork so far : Neil Keenan lawsuit/liens, some of the paperwork sent to the Hague, taking callers & answering questions confidently, etc. We've yet to see or hear anything concrete by Tim Turner after so many years...
Actually I'm not backing anyone. I don't know anything about Tim Turner other than what I've read and I am in no way backing him or Christian fundamentalists!
I am very much on board with the Keenan lawsuit aspect of this and I know there are other things being attempted, I hope with everything I've got that they are successful!What is frightening to me is that it seemed all of a sudden Drake started talking this hip new age talk and implying that we have nothing to worry about because of the benevolent ET's which in the opinion of many lifelong ufo researchers DO NOT EXIST! That should be a red flag for everyone!
Your previous post WASN'T the FIRST post in which you've doubted the whole Drake & mass arrests things (which the Keenan lawsuit is part of). And now suddenly you're "very much on board" with Drake after calling it "total bull***"...
If that's not FLIP FLOPPING I dont know what it is.
You claim to do a lot of "research" yet you didn't do that due diligence regarding Tim Turner...
I also dismiss your claims of ALL UFOs & E.T.s as being evil. There have been many reported incidences of them disabling nuclear warheads over the last 50-60 years with full documentation from many sources : Air Force, Navy, defense contractors, etc. Also, some negative "abductions" seems to have been perpetrated by the Army & Black projects as well.
Besides, you've never replied to the many points I've raised before against all your other posts which I can summarize as :
- Full of fear-mongering
- Confusion (dont trust Drake, dont trust the PLAN, the NWO is winning since they've covered it all, etc)
- Stating your *OPINIONS* AS FACTS (E.Ts/UFOs are DEMONS, only Jesus is the solution, etc)
Why cant you debate rationally many points I've raised against your arguments if you did such extensive amount of "research" instead of hiding? I feel there is much intellectual dishonesty from your part to say the least.
I did not say I was very much on board with DRAKE, as far as I know he is not involved in the lawsuit, is he? Is his name Keenan too?
No flip flopping here Dude. I DID NOT IN ANY WAY PROMOTE TIM TURNER, DO NOT FOLLOW HIM AND AM AWARE OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST HIM. You tend to put your own spin on what I say, in fact you completely twist things, I'm guessing because you don't like what I say. I have never said the NWO is winning, another case of your spin. There is nothing to debate with you because your spin makes no sense and outs you for being either 15 years old or not very intelligent. It's been noted that you are personally offended by anyone not sucked into the bullshit, makes one wonder what your agenda here is?
Your agenda and mine can be clearly seen by our posts. People here can re-read all of your posts (which arent numerous) as well as mine.
PROVE that what I've summarized of your attitude & posts are wrong so far and I'll be glad to retract my views. I see many of your posts here as spreading FUD : Fear, Uncertainty, Doubts.
Also, your attitude of avoiding legitimate arguments & points I've raised against your posts is also suspicious. If you distrust Drake so much and are addicted to fear so much, why are you still following this thread?
There is such thing as HEALTHY SKEPTICISM (balance) and UNHEALTHY SKEPTICISM (buying completely into irrational fear, extremist views, etc.)
Magnus, as a former detective might be interested to provide his opinion on this as he's probably good in figuring people's "hidden agenda"... Others might want to provide their opinions as well if interested.
Yes Nhu Pho, I'm here to try to scare people to death to save the bad guys the trouble and expense of having to do it. Ya got me!
As this board doesn't allow me to reply below your latest sarcastic reply. Let me put it this way :
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. But the more confusion, fear, doubts that is being sent out by all the dis-info & scare tactics, the more it gets in the way of people trying to seek the truth out of that mess.
Thus, disinfo, division & scare tactics only helps perpetuating the status quo for those in power.
Is there an acceptable litmus test that can be used by all to ferret out "disinfo"? YOU seem to have and use one. Must it be used to marginalize those you disagree with?
I know it's a slippery slope once when we start applying the "disinfo" label. There is a WAY to respectfully disagree when both parties are engaged in a discussion without resorting to such extent.
What I have issue with when a person consistently avoid debates and keeps pulling out the same attitude & message in a "hit & run" manner. Acting as if their OPINIONS are FACTS but avoids accountability by backing them somehow. Such intellectual dishonesty makes me suspicious.
When you put opinions out there, expect others to challenge it, that's the nature of the game. I expect people to disagree with me, but at least I ENGAGE myself in a dialogue not just merely screaming "there's a fire" in a crowded room & then disappear.
Anyway, I rest my case as I have no wish to push this further.
I personally have never had any dealings with Tim Turner but, I have a friend who has gotten involved with him and it has led to nothing but some VERY serious legal troubles and even jail. I would suggest anyone who thinks of linking up with Turner to do some serious research and even then, think twice before getting mixed up with him. I don't know the man myself but, I have seen the troubles my friend is facing due to following president Turners advice and orders.
My friend has been arrested twice and made the news in both instances. It has been a very humiliating experience for him, all because he bought into one mans lies.
Haha Exactly!! Love this Chancy, thanks for sharing.