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Permalink Reply by Mufasa on March 16, 2012 at 10:41pm

When the means of procurement of wealth is due to theft of another's labour then yes. And taking it back is not redistribution or socialism, its justice. And when theft of labour is protected by law, revolution is eminent.

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Permalink Reply by Bob Russell on March 16, 2012 at 11:16pm

Theft of labor is slavery. Working for a living is one person being paid to work for another. I spent my entire life working for someone else. I wasn't paid as much as I would like but I was paid realtively well. I managed to raise a family and live a comfortable life but not get rich. I holdno grudge to those who make moeny off of my labor, that is why they had a business, to prosper. They provided me wages to support my family and for that I am greatful. I gave them a fair day's work and they gave me a fair day's wages. that is capitalism.

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Permalink Reply by Mufasa on March 16, 2012 at 11:38pm

No bob, that is called fair or free trade system, not capitalism.

Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on March 17, 2012 at 12:01am

Free/fair trade and capitalism both require that people own property responsibly and enter into contracts and agreements freely. All of this is provided OUR AMERICAN Republic by OUR Constitution.

Permalink Reply by Mufasa on March 17, 2012 at 12:28am

Dont forget that free and fair trade systems are not the same. Fair trade has protected rights, free trade does not. Capitalism encompasses undesirables such as 'he who has the money makes the rules', which will always lead to 'he who makes the rules will see to it the rule is he gets the money'. Capitalism also encompasses using superior capital to destroy others capital, there by increasing your own capital; This is sinful in nature and always snowballs into the shit bucket of inequality of opportunity to the point that it is indeterminable from slavery.

Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on March 17, 2012 at 1:00am

Some may perceive rules of capitalism differently than others. In free trade, they are free to perceive what they want but legal contracts are valid contracts and whoever has the most paper to wave in the air most often wins the arguments.. But common sense rules do apply. Like Buyer beware. And Business is no place for the feeble minded. Nor the lazy who would rest his best interests into the hands of others
(CEOs and boardroomers).

Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on March 17, 2012 at 1:08am

Freetrade is sinful/ howcome?
I know that Proverbs 22:7 says "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender" It doesn't say it's sinful just the way it is. Because when a man agrees to work for anothedr or pay another interest of anykind, he is freely bound by his word as a freeman. And an honest man.

Permalink Reply by Mufasa on March 17, 2012 at 1:51am

I do not judge sin (right/wrong) according to a book written by the tainted hand of man, but by the logic Christ blessed all man with.

When a man uses intellectual superiority to con another into a contract that traps that other into a situation where he is not only paid an unfair wage for his labour but is also forced into paying more for resources than they are worth, then he is a master of slaves. This is no different than a man with stronger muscles using his physical superiority to take what you have or force you to do his bidding. That is why we have law and justice. And I know you will say he should not have signed the contract to begin with, but if the only other option is to watch you children starve cause the elitist will throw anyone in jail for hunting or fishing with out paying the elitist controlled government money, than your not really free now are you????

That is the world we live in today.

Permalink Reply by Mufasa on March 17, 2012 at 2:02am

The feeble minded is just as deserving of a good life as you, and men of good nature are charged with the protection of those weaker than themselves. Shame on you Chance for that one. But I guess if one of our marines honourably protecting you was to sell you out to the enemy for a profit that would be ok right....after all the pathetic weak who can not defend themselves don't deserve a good life...eh?

The only thing more honourable than protecting those weaker than you is helping those less fortunate than your self.

PS. Me and you have already proven we can argue this point for days and still have something else to say about it. Thanks for coming back to WRAM Chance, I have missed your intellect.

Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on March 17, 2012 at 2:22am

Whoa. Where did I say the feebled werren't entitled? what I was saying is that the feeble minded need protected from signing agreements and then being tosed into the streets when foreclosed on. My shame was in thinking that you would know the difference between feeble and stupid.

Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on March 17, 2012 at 2:42am

BTW. The logic that Christ blessed me with long ago continues to give me the faith that the whole BIBLE is the word of God. The new testiment covering the teachings of Christ our savior strengthens the whole. It does NOT replace.

End of conversation.

Permalink Reply by Mufasa on March 17, 2012 at 2:42am

I see stupidity and feebleness as the same...which proves your point on that matter. :/

If we take the religion part any farther I will have to boot both of us.

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