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SHTF AMMO LOGISTICS
For many years now, I have observed a (let’s call it a) “faction” within the militia movement dealing with the area of logistics. As a former active duty staff officer, I appreciate the situations that the S-4 has to deal with on an ongoing basis in an attempt to provide the Commander, as well as the troops, with the needed materiel to be able to do their duty. The militia, as a whole, does not like to think about the subject of logistics. Year after year, I see many people tout as militia “gospel” that you need to utilize the same weaponry and ammo as your potential adversaries so that you can resupply by “picking up a weapon and ammo,” as well as whatever else you currently need or may need in the near future after every skirmish.
I feel that we need to discuss this topic (that is, militia logistics) NOW, before any actual situation arises, and thus try and understand what might benefit all of us for any perceived future conflict that we hope and pray never actually occurs. As I have brought this topic up, I feel that I need to go first. Here goes!
I feel that this idea (that is, “picking up” what you need from fallen enemy combatants as your means of supply) has gotten hold of many in the movement to help them justify the fact that they do not want to do any real, true preparation for any future conflict—one, in fact, that certain types seem to be seriously hoping for. I want to set the record straight here before any out there start labeling me as someone who is looking for a fight against ANY perceived foe. I do NOT desire to ever fight the “hard” war. There! I wrote it out! I would rather fight and win the “soft” war so that I do not HAVE to fight the “hard” war--ever! Having typed this out, however, I feel that I need to constantly put out this fact: if you do not prepare NOW to fight the “hard” war, you may find yourself in the unenviable position of having to do so alone and without any training, without the right equipment, and without the right supplies.
There is an old saying about the number one rule in a gun fight is that you should have a gun! If you are out of ammo, your rifle has just become a very expensive “club!” If it has, you have just violated the first rule of a gunfight by bringing your “club” to a gunfight. As I have written elsewhere, it is hard to stay in the debate when you run out of arguments. If this occurs, it might actually lead to your demise, as well as the demise of those with you or those you are defending or fighting for. To base your supply plan on picking up enough ammo from your fallen enemy to continue your mission or your campaign, does not seem like a very smart or prudent plan to me.
So many out there seem to feel that they need that really “fancy, schmancy” rifle and the super-duper ammo that can feed it. If there is anything that I can admonish you in that will make your future somewhat more secure, it would be to prepare NOW while you have the chance. You may only have a beat-up old SKS or a semi-worn out Marlin lever-action .30/30, but if you can keep it well fed and you hit what you aim at, you will be far more effective in a militia capacity than someone who is constantly “looking” for ammo to pick up in order to keep on fighting. However, reality rears her pretty little head here piloting us away from romantic daydreams and reminds us that to be so qualified, you need to compile adequate amounts of ammo for YOUR particular rifle and to constantly practice with that rifle until you CONSTANTLY hit what you aim at. Make sure that you have enough for you and your family and loved ones, OK? I don’t mean just a couple of boxes here, OK? I mean more like several cases.
Here is a situation where a military rifle has a sort of advantage over a hunting rifle. Military rifle ammo generally seems to be cheaper than hunting ammo. Whatever the cost, you need to provide enough for YOUR rifle (or sidearm, shotgun, etc.). I am aware of some people who think that 500 rounds are more than enough. I am also aware of those who think that 10,000 rounds are not enough. Regardless of your personal point of view on the amount that you feel is needed, I think that we can all agree that NOW is the time to get it. That is, get it while you can—BEFORE it becomes illegal to buy it. If you cannot afford to get cases at a time through mail order, maybe you could buy a box every time that you go to Wally World.
This is where it is tough to be in the militia. As a soldier, Uncle Sugar got me just about everything that I ever needed. Now . . . well I guess that you all know what happens now. Consider getting Xmas gifts of the things that you really, TRULY need and skip that new jet ski or 52” plasma TV. Consider skipping that next new sidearm or rifle also and consider getting instead more ammo, spare parts, or a couple of ham radios.
If whatever potential adversaries exist in your personal idea of a future conflict begin to notice that the militia is getting really organized, prepared, and equipped, it might make them think twice before they start. I mean, if the “hard” war, never occurs, I would die happy as an old man with a lot of great camping and hunting stuff . . . I’m just sayin.’
Ok, that’s my look at this topic. What’s yours?
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Calpat on -
Bullets, beans and gear. Topo maps if bug out, lotsa rounds if bug in. Shortwave comms gear next (portable w/re-chargable batts. and solar charger.
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Permalink Reply by Ed (GA Group Ldr) on -
How much ammo would you go through in a typical firefight? How much ammo would you go through in a week if you got into a firefight every day? I'm not an infantry officer so I really don't know even a good guess to these questions but it seems to indicate to me that we really need more ammo than we think. A good reloading press would be handy too.
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Permalink Reply by Old Lrrp on -
Ed--
Based on my experience, individual firefights have widely ranging rates of fire. I mean, you might expend absolutely nothing in a firefight if it is an ambush against your group and the other group hits hard and then immeadiately withdraws. On the other hand, if it is a prolonged attack, you could easily expend a few hundred rounds. There are also situations where maybe you might try to have an enemy expend ALL of their ammo against you while you are behind safe cover so that you can then move in and totally decimate them when they cannot defend themselves at all due to lack of ammo.
Remember the most important rule in a gunfight (have a gun!). If you expend all of your ammo, your rifle has now become a very expensive "club!" And more importantly, you have then violated the most important rule in a gunfight by bringing your "club" to a gunfight. Trust me on this next one, people: you most definitely do not want to face an enemy with a "club" and your field knife. Maybe I'll tell you about that sometime around a campfire--but not now.
Ed, you really have that right with the reloading angle. This is something that I (for some really, stupid reason) have never got into. I mean, the last time I relaoded ammo was on someone else'e Rockchucker Press at the Schofield Barracks Rod & Gun Club up on the center of Oahu in 1975 after I got back to the world and out of Tripler Army Medical Center. It was only 5 rounds of .45 ACP, just so that I could understand the process, or so he told me. I have yet to get a reloading press of my own, but it IS on the list.
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Ed (GA Group Ldr) on
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I learned reloading from a Navy LCDR in my instructor training class in 1974. He was an Olympic pistol shooter and they tend to go through a lot of ammo. There are also many advantages like being able to experiment with different loads, different bullet types. Keeping the powder measures exact really helps your ballistics stay the same with every round. It makes for a very interesting hobby as well as saving lots of money if you shoot a lot.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Gardner on -
I load and shoot several thousand rounds monthly in practice and competition and I'm a firm believer in having a stash of ammo and not touching it but shoot up reloads. I have 3 pistols and 3 rifles and know them all well and I know that because I practice I won't be going through lots of ammo in a fight and the odds of having them shoot back are lower because there will be very few left to do it. I just got back from a 2 mile run in the heat (I'm 60 years old) and pushed some weights and know all I can really have at my disposal is what I can put on my back and run with.
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Permalink Reply by Stealth on -
While NONE of us can truly be prepared for TSHTF situation, I have tried. My plan was (A) buy quality handguns and rifles that utilize common ammo ie 5 calibers currently, 22 for hunting, 9mm and 45 for side arms, .223 and 7.62 for rifles. All pretty common ammo guns. (B) Hold reloadable ammo in all calibers, with enough to shoot a few rounds a day (5-10) of each for a year(not quite there yet) (C) cleaning tools and chemicals. (D) common failure parts (this is where I am kind of at a loss and need to study) Have reloading gear (and know how to use it) and common primers powder and bullets to cover at least 1 full reload (except .22 where I just bought extra rounds)(partially there). And I also have 5 air rifles and pellet and BB ammo for those (they are quiet hunters with no reload necessary and will kill rabbits and anything smaller). These are the only weapon preps I have done so far. I would like a long range rifle also probably in 7.62.
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Permalink Reply by Old Lrrp on
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Stealth--
You mention that these are the only weapon preps that you have done so far. It would appear to me that you are lightyears ahead of most of the people that I am aware of. You are a great example, sir.
Regarding spare parts to buy, I would like to give you an idea. First, locate an older, experienced gunsmith in your area. Next, buy a couple of Big Macs and a large soda and take these to him. Bribe him, basically! Ask for his recommendations on what you need to buy. See if the stuff from good 'ole McDonalds helps you out. Hey, it could work! I use Taco Bell burritos with my dude!
Good luck.
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Phillip P. Foreman on -
Great Big Grin! {8<{) You been reading my diary! LOL
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Permalink Reply by david paul williams sr on
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TRY NOT,IF POSSABLE NOT TO BUY WAL-MART AMMO,,,JUST SAYING...WILLIAM...
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Permalink Reply by 289p1zuy3baqf on
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Ok so in the fantasy world this author lives in a soft war exists.
Their isn't a soft war!
So I had my laugh for the day.
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Permalink Reply by Phillip P. Foreman on
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Working on it!
What equipment, gear, ammo, etc that can not be acquired from a Sherman's Raid tactic must be improvised by the entities friendly to the cause. This means that folk who can do depot level repair, manufacture, scratch to endproduct builds, etc. Make them your friends. Farmers, ranchers, dairies, cannaries, grain mills, Veterinarians, TV Stations, Radio Stations, Doctors, etc. The logistics needed are there, just got to get them lined up.
Paws, Southern Ohio Logistics Operations (SOLO)
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