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SHTF AMMO LOGISTICS
For many years now, I have observed a (let’s call it a) “faction” within the militia movement dealing with the area of logistics. As a former active duty staff officer, I appreciate the situations that the S-4 has to deal with on an ongoing basis in an attempt to provide the Commander, as well as the troops, with the needed materiel to be able to do their duty. The militia, as a whole, does not like to think about the subject of logistics. Year after year, I see many people tout as militia “gospel” that you need to utilize the same weaponry and ammo as your potential adversaries so that you can resupply by “picking up a weapon and ammo,” as well as whatever else you currently need or may need in the near future after every skirmish.
I feel that we need to discuss this topic (that is, militia logistics) NOW, before any actual situation arises, and thus try and understand what might benefit all of us for any perceived future conflict that we hope and pray never actually occurs. As I have brought this topic up, I feel that I need to go first. Here goes!
I feel that this idea (that is, “picking up” what you need from fallen enemy combatants as your means of supply) has gotten hold of many in the movement to help them justify the fact that they do not want to do any real, true preparation for any future conflict—one, in fact, that certain types seem to be seriously hoping for. I want to set the record straight here before any out there start labeling me as someone who is looking for a fight against ANY perceived foe. I do NOT desire to ever fight the “hard” war. There! I wrote it out! I would rather fight and win the “soft” war so that I do not HAVE to fight the “hard” war--ever! Having typed this out, however, I feel that I need to constantly put out this fact: if you do not prepare NOW to fight the “hard” war, you may find yourself in the unenviable position of having to do so alone and without any training, without the right equipment, and without the right supplies.
There is an old saying about the number one rule in a gun fight is that you should have a gun! If you are out of ammo, your rifle has just become a very expensive “club!” If it has, you have just violated the first rule of a gunfight by bringing your “club” to a gunfight. As I have written elsewhere, it is hard to stay in the debate when you run out of arguments. If this occurs, it might actually lead to your demise, as well as the demise of those with you or those you are defending or fighting for. To base your supply plan on picking up enough ammo from your fallen enemy to continue your mission or your campaign, does not seem like a very smart or prudent plan to me.
So many out there seem to feel that they need that really “fancy, schmancy” rifle and the super-duper ammo that can feed it. If there is anything that I can admonish you in that will make your future somewhat more secure, it would be to prepare NOW while you have the chance. You may only have a beat-up old SKS or a semi-worn out Marlin lever-action .30/30, but if you can keep it well fed and you hit what you aim at, you will be far more effective in a militia capacity than someone who is constantly “looking” for ammo to pick up in order to keep on fighting. However, reality rears her pretty little head here piloting us away from romantic daydreams and reminds us that to be so qualified, you need to compile adequate amounts of ammo for YOUR particular rifle and to constantly practice with that rifle until you CONSTANTLY hit what you aim at. Make sure that you have enough for you and your family and loved ones, OK? I don’t mean just a couple of boxes here, OK? I mean more like several cases.
Here is a situation where a military rifle has a sort of advantage over a hunting rifle. Military rifle ammo generally seems to be cheaper than hunting ammo. Whatever the cost, you need to provide enough for YOUR rifle (or sidearm, shotgun, etc.). I am aware of some people who think that 500 rounds are more than enough. I am also aware of those who think that 10,000 rounds are not enough. Regardless of your personal point of view on the amount that you feel is needed, I think that we can all agree that NOW is the time to get it. That is, get it while you can—BEFORE it becomes illegal to buy it. If you cannot afford to get cases at a time through mail order, maybe you could buy a box every time that you go to Wally World.
This is where it is tough to be in the militia. As a soldier, Uncle Sugar got me just about everything that I ever needed. Now . . . well I guess that you all know what happens now. Consider getting Xmas gifts of the things that you really, TRULY need and skip that new jet ski or 52” plasma TV. Consider skipping that next new sidearm or rifle also and consider getting instead more ammo, spare parts, or a couple of ham radios.
If whatever potential adversaries exist in your personal idea of a future conflict begin to notice that the militia is getting really organized, prepared, and equipped, it might make them think twice before they start. I mean, if the “hard” war, never occurs, I would die happy as an old man with a lot of great camping and hunting stuff . . . I’m just sayin.’
Ok, that’s my look at this topic. What’s yours?
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Tom A Hawk on -
You could always ask.
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Permalink Reply by Old Lrrp on -
People who are unprepared are a security risk. They will do whatever they think they can get away with. Do we all agree with that statement?
If they truly think they can take whatever they want from YOU, what will you do about it? Maybe you don't need 10,000 rounds. Maybe you need only 500 rounds. What do you need to have with you to prevent this type of situation from happening? Do you already have that?
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Gary Yantz on -
Well if you are going to guard your "stash" 24/7 from looters then you need enough people to stand watches 24/7 or at least some sort of early warning system to home invasion. This is not someting that can be done alone, so you need others. That is something that I do not have. I have thought about an "electroic" perimeter, but sensors are expensive, and electronics will fail you at the worst of times! (If you even have electricity available at all in such a time...)
Ya got me!
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Permalink Reply by Phillip P. Foreman on -
Cheap and plentiful. When I laid out my walkway to the front door I put a serpentine aproach from the driveay to the door. If you do not know the house you will stumble. Then I added some of those tough little "corn flowers" they ae better than tangle foot. Get off the walk and they will trip you and tangle you up. In the dark they will hold you tight for quite a while. Trip wires that activate heavy wind chimes are effective as well. The dogs are trained to alert when the chimes start or they hear a car door close. Better than dogs are geese and guinea fowel. Good eating too. But you got to get some big dogs for the inside of the house. Big meaner than hell ones that are trainable.
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Permalink Reply by Orion Darkwood on
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I have had this discussion a few times, when SHTF sooner or later you are going to need help, only problem is most good preppers/survivalists are loners and not exactly the trusting type by nature. That is why I try to network and aleast come to at the very least if SHTF and I approach them that they don't shoot me on sight. I know some with strong families will group together but unless the whole family is part of the plan and trains together all it will take is one member to get greedy or get scared and it all ends in a blaze of bullets.
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Permalink Reply by Old Lrrp on
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Mr. Orion--
You are coreect, dude. One guy can screw up things badly. Good luck!
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Orion Darkwood on
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Learned that one real early in life playing Squad Leader (Avalon Hill). Was on a 3 man team one guy wants to rush a town, me and the other guy tell him its a bad idea. He was our heavy infantry guy (we where playing just with infantry and light armor aka halftracks). Long story short he rushes the town after telling us he would not lost most of our heavy infantry. The bad guys chewed us up after that.
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Permalink Reply by RIPLEY on -
Without logistics, we can't operate at a group level and be efficient, PERIOD! Then the hammer drops, all hell breaks loose, telephones start going down, the internet, everyones running around with their heads cut off.
I want to head to where the HQ will be or our main camp for our region. I stay well off the beaten path if the enemy is all over the roadways, getting to the camp with all my supplies and tools. In order for things to work, we'll have to have a chain of command. And that means supplys officers, LOGISTICS.
If you gotta go out on patrol, you gotta have ammo, food, water, medicines.
If supply trucks are running, gonna have to have fuel, parts, and the like. Gonna have to have some Medics with a semi- MASH unit. We're gonna need radio's, portable power. Latrines......water to clean with or we'll get sick. Heat to stay warm and to cook with, and refers to keep to food.
2 man scout sniper units, 4 and 6 Man squads to do hit&runs are cool, for a week ain't bad. 2 its getting there. 20-30 people in a small tent city, with no logistics and no supplies and ammo, in the middle of no-where, Scavaging, is a whole lotta no-fun!
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Permalink Reply by Old Lrrp on
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Ripley--
You seem to understand this very well, kid. You can't pick it all up. Some, yeah, of course. But not a lot. And you may not have any time after a skirmish, due to the other guy's reserves arriving, or air support, or mortars, or . . . well, you get the idea, I guess.
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Gary Yantz on
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Yeah... you can't pick it all up, and you can't take it all with you! (At least I can't... unless I get a trailer.) It would be nice to have a central rally point wherein things could be cashed (and safe) for future use. Then again nothing like presenting a prime target! Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
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Permalink Reply by Old Lrrp on
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Hey Gary--
You got it right! One of Murphy's Laws of Combat states something like:
"Try not to look important. The enemy may be low on ammo."
Prime targets attract lots of ammo!
Old Lrrp
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Permalink Reply by Gary Yantz on
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I'm not important... jsut ask any of my ex wives!
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