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Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on July 1, 2012 at 2:14pm

Forgive me for typing !97 instead of Proclamation 157. President Johnsomson's proclamation must speak for itself. I can not do it justice. But I believe the most active beyond his quoting of previous whereas's is this ending section,,,

, "Now, therefore, I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the State of Texas is at an end and is to be henceforth so regarded in that State as in the other States before named in which the said insurrection was proclaimed to be at an end by the aforesaid proclamation of the 2d day of April, 1866.

And I do further proclaim that the said insurrection is at an end and that peace, order, tranquillity, and civil authority now exist in and throughout the whole of the United States of America.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed."
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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on July 1, 2012 at 9:48pm

Clancy

- - And I do further proclaim that .....civil authority now exist in and throughout the whole of the United States of America. - -

It doesn't explicitly rescind/revoke Martial Law but could be vaguely interpreted as so. I will accept your assertion that this ended Martial Law in the US in 1866.

There is one other matter you might clear up since you seem to have some knowledge of this. I understand that the first of the Executive Orders began with the introduction of Martial Law in 1863 and has lasted to this day.  If Martial Law ended in 1866, why do we still have Executive Orders?/mac

Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 16, 2012 at 11:47am

Mr. Magnus

You said: "The investigation PROVES it and you see it with your OWN EYES."
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Yes, this is true. It is time now to do something about it and Vva is that 'something'. With Vva any system from ballots to electronic machine can be used, because no matter what "system" is used by the Registrar, Vva will irrefutably check it without a shot being fired. Indeed, without even very much effort at all/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 17, 2012 at 12:01am

Mr. Magnus

You said: I have looked at the Vva and you are really on to something. I Still say it will take the Barrel of a Rifle to make it happen.

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Mr Magnus, please refrain from comments like the above, for many reasons. First, there is no need for violence. Indeed it will screw everything up. These people are now instigating violence to create "chaos". With chaos will come lockdown and the loss of any chance of getting this country back.

 

Second, this regime has now given itself, with the stroke of a pen, the authority to detain any American indefinitely without due process or even allowing their loved ones knowledge of what has happened. Unwarranted comments like the above could jeopardize the liberty of all who participate here. I for one will not participate in any forum that openly advocates the use of violence, especially since we can get everything we want by using our heads.

 

Third, this will sound strange, but I suspect our adversaries may be open to some kind of a "deal", a compromise. If they are of the "left", which they seem to be, then that means they accept the Hegelian Dialectic as axiomatic. Hegel postulated "Thesis and anti-thesis coalesce at a higher level into synthesis". You and I might say the same thing; "Argument and counter-argument coalesce at a higher level into compromise"

 

In other words, they aren't just looking for compromise, they're expecting it. Indeed, it is a part of their philosophy. As such, if a potential for compromise comes along and it appears reasonable, then it would violate their fundamental guiding principles to not "deal".

 

To deal with them we must understand them as what they are first and foremost, other human beings. Fortunately a psychologist named Abraham Maslow of the 1950s characterized humans according to their "needs" which he claimed "motivates" us all to do everything we do. That theory was called "Motivation and Need Theory" which claimed that all human beings are wired identically in a hierarchy of seven basic needs.

 

I'll cut to the chase here; I believe the one need they are now experiencing is the second in that hierarchy which is "security needs". You see, we are three-hundred million of the most technically resourceful people on earth. Indeed, most of the technical advances encompassed in their weapons were discovered and developed right here in the U.S. -  only to be stolen by them (can you say: "ISO 9001").

 

There must be a part of their psyche that senses that such a people, even if dumbed down, could still be very dangerous. As such, a means of "having their cake and eating it too" might seem quite appealing to them right now or in the near future. It was with that in mind that something I call "PeeCE" or Peer Certified Elections was developed. I claim it will end war as we now know it and create an incredible world of plenty for all- See:http://howtorescueamerica.org/PeeCE.html - Possibly it or something like it may be found appealing to people of high rank and paranoia.

 

Whatever happens though, we must now be clear headed. We cannot be wrong in our thinking and we must for each others sake and the sake of the future be guarded in our tones and our words/mac

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Permalink Reply by Minuteman on June 13, 2012 at 7:06am

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolony/2012/06/13/militia-news-with...
Checkout True the Vote

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 17, 2012 at 10:52pm

Minuteman

I viewed the the TrueTheVote website and I have some observations. This is kinda subtle and may take some time. TrueTheVote approaches our problem by discovering where "the leak in the boat is" and then attempting to "patch" it. But, what if there's more than the one leak? How would you detect them all?

The system I call Vva doesn't detect just one leak, it detects them all. I call it the "canary" of election fraud because it will detect any and all election fraud. It operates in a manner very similar to the counting of your change just after someone makes change for you.

The real problem with the system we have now is that it is not 100% defensible, indeed it was designed to be just that, "indefensible". The change to the completely "secret" vote after almost 100 yrs of a completely open vote was veiled by the plausible rationale of ending the buying and selling of the vote.

Ending the buying and selling of votes is definitely a "plausible rationale" because if it were genuine, government would not have created nor allowed the "absentee" ballot, a ballot that practically invites vote buying and selling. That ballot originated during the Civil War and was originally called the "Soldier Vote". It is a vote that can be conducted completely in private, far away from the watchful eyes to be found at polling stations. The buyer not only fills it out but can even mail it.

No, the secret ballot's real purpose was to facilitate multiple "leaks", leaks that could rarely be detected because everything is, well, "secret". It's the rough equivalent of your bank no longer giving you a receipt with any transaction. And since there's no receipt there's no need for a statement at the end of the month either. Further, since everything is secret, if you ask the teller to tell you how much is actually in your account they can't because everything's, "secret".

 

How long would you continue to do business with such a bank? Yet what we'd never accept in our banker we continuously accept in our Registrar of Voters. Do you see how subtly crazy it all is? and why do people accept it and indeed, never even think about it? Because of a process called "dumbing down". It is a process conducted by every source of "education" in our society, especially television.

 

Education "hard wires" memories of thoughts and ideas into our minds such that when we come across them we never question their "validity" or even think of them in a "critical" fashion. The educational process called TV is the worst offender of all, because the ideas that flow from it into our "completely open" minds is so realistically stark, colourful and all with Hi-Fidelity sound, that it makes "extremely" deep impressions that (are you ready for this?) - they make impressions so deep that, they cannot be erased. They are quite literally "hard wired" into our psyche. We are, not metaphorically, but actually "programmed" by television to accept its content as, undisputed fact.

 

You might be interested in knowing, I turned TV off about 24 years ago and haven't turned it back on again. It was actually quite easy, especially after the first week. My lady and I at the time simply did a lot more "together" than we usually did and as a bonus, our relationship blossomed (been together ever since).

 

Further, I'm convinced my IQ went up twenty points in the first six months and another ten since then. Why? That question can best be answered by a quote from Albert Einstein. People would laugh, but he was quite serious when he'd say: "The only thing that ever got in the way of my thinking, was my education."

 

Didn't mean to get carried away Minuteman, just thought this was kinda important/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 17, 2012 at 11:32pm

Minuteman

I viewed TrueTheVote website and I have some observations. This is kinda subtle and may take some time. TrueTheVote approaches our problem by discovering where the leak in the boat is and then attempting to "patch" it. But, what if there's more than the one leak? How would you detect them all?

 

The system I call "Vva" doesn't detect just one leak, it detects them all. I call it the "canary" of election fraud because it will detect any and all election fraud. It operates in a manner very similar to the counting of your change just after someone makes change for you.

 

The real problem with the system we have is that it is not 100% defensible, indeed it was designed to be just that. The change to the completely "secret" vote after almost 100 yrs of a completely open vote was veiled by the plausible rationale of ending the buying and selling of the vote.

 

Ending the buying and selling of votes is definitely a "plausible rationale" because if it were genuine, government would not have created nor allowed the "absentee" ballot, a ballot that practically invites vote buying and selling. That ballot originated during the Civil War and was originally called the "Soldier Vote". It is a vote that can be conducted completely in private, far away from the watchful eyes to be found at polling stations. A buyer not only fills it in, but can even mail it!

 

No, the secret ballot's real purpose was to facilitate multiple "leaks", leaks that could rarely be detected because everything is "secret". It's the rough equivalent of your bank no longer giving you a receipt with any transaction. And since there's no receipt there's no need for a statement at the end of the month either. Further, since everything is secret, if you ask the teller to tell you how much is actually in your account they can't because everything is well, "secret".

 

How long would you continue to do business with such a bank? Yet what we'd never accept in our banker we continuously accept in our Registrar of Voters. Do you see how subtly crazy it all is? and why do people accept it, indeed, they never even think about it? Because of a process called "dumbing down". A process conducted by every form of "education" in our society, especially television.

 

Education "hard wires" memories of thoughts, ideas and even attitudes into our minds such that when we come across them we never question the "why" or "what for" or even think of them in any kind of "critical" fashion. We just accept them as fact.

The educational process called TV is the worst offender of all, because the ideas that flow from it into our "completely open" minds is so realistically stark, that it makes "extremely" deep impressions that (are you ready for this?) - they make impressions  so deep that, they cannot be erased,they are literally "hard wired" into our psyche. We are, not metaphorically but actually, "programmed" by television to accept its content as undisputed "fact". Example: Daylight Savings Time

 

You might be interested in knowing, I turned TV off about 24 years ago and haven''t turned it back on since. I haven't owned a set since I threw the old one out two years later. Turning it off was actually quite easy, especially after the first week. My lady and I at the time simply did a lot more "together" than we usually did and our relationship blossomed (been together ever since). Further, I'm convinced my IQ went up twenty points in the first six months and another ten since then. Why? The answer to that question can best be answered by a quote from Albert Einstein. People would laugh, but he was quite serious when he'd say: "The only thing that ever got in the way of my thinking, was my education."

 

Didn't mean to get carried away Minuteman, just thought this to be kind of important/mac

 

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 16, 2012 at 12:31pm

Ms. Sutherland

You said: "Continuing to go over & over the same old issues is simply "spinning our wheels," & that is exactly what this REGIME in power right now, wants us to do."
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This is so very, very true, We are preaching to the choir when we try to "inform" others about vote fraud. Enough already, it's time to do something and Vva is it. This is an issue we can all wrap our arms around. Not just conservatives, but liberals too who are reportedly re-registering in vast numbers as "decline to state", This is common ground, it is something that we can all come together on and if we win, then we "all" win.

Vva is analogous to "counting your change". Who could deny any person the "right" to count their change. Well, no one I know of except for, except for, the Registrar of Voters. The registrar hasn't allowed the alternative "verification" (counting) of the vote since the vote went "confidential" (secret) in the 1870's.

Indeed, it is the only "transaction" I have been able to uncover that doesn't require some kind of, no, any kind of review-able receipt in the entire country. Hell, you can't buy a quart of milk without someone shoving a receipt into your hands! And this is a receipt on the one most sacred transaction we have, the vote. The one, single & only transaction, that determines whether the very government who counts the vote, gets to retain or relinquish its power. Is that a rigged parlez or what?/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 20, 2012 at 1:56pm

Mr. Magnus

You said: "I am with you we just need to MARKET this change."
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Could you expand on that? This is in line with what Ms. Sutherland is asking for. She wants to know "where" do we go from here? The idea of "marketing", or getting the word out makes sense. Do you have any thoughts on how?/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 21, 2012 at 9:44pm

Magnus

You said: "if we do not FIRST get rid of the what is now happening BEFORE Elections even happen for a Candidate we stand no real chance or it will be in vain since our current Delegate system is the BIGGEST Thug"

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The people see all of this as a complex system (they really don't understand) that ultimately results in "they" the people "electing" a candidate, as if they actually control it all. Fraud uncovered by a well conducted Vva would be clear, convincing evidence that they don't control, "shock" them into reality and start a groundswell toward real reform/mac

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Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on June 16, 2012 at 2:34pm

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/index.php Can be used to see where each of the states are in their voting and election laws and which if any vote verification system is being pursued in each.

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Permalink Reply by pa mike on June 21, 2012 at 11:34am

We need to stop using any and all voting machines. There have been videos demonstrating that electronic voting machines can be hacked to 'alter' the votes. They actually record each vote, just not for who we voted for! The totals always match, but the winners and losers can be pre-determined. If it has a program, it can be hacked!

Back to paper ballots! Each district only needs to count their ballots, in full view of witnesses. It's not that hard and can be triple checked easily. All ballots can be under lock and key as evidense. I'd rather have the official count recorded the next day and have it accurate, than rush through it and have discrepancies. Voting is serious, it's not a drive-thru window!

We also need to require ID before voting. As well as purging and cleaning the records before every election. There are endless examples of dead people voting, people that moved, non-citizens, and yes even pets! Some voting locations have shown more votes than voters. How does that happen? Both parties have been guilty.

This next election has rumors that the voting machine companies are foriegn owned with proprietary software, and that this years totals will be electronically transfered to Spain to be counted. Are we crazy? Anyone heard of this crazy rumor? Why can't votes be totaled on-site?

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