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Permalink Reply by Manuel Lombas on June 12, 2012 at 1:40pm

I really liked Malcolm J. Sperry's "How to Rescue America" (HTRA) webpage. It shows an erudite knowledge that can only come from sixteen years spent in studying the problem that we are experiencing today, in a very in-depth manner. That problem being that no matter how hard we try, our votes do not seem to matter in determining the outcome of an election. The same incumbents stay in power and regardless of how unhappy the general public may be with them, they are harder to get rid of than a vermin infestation. In his thesis, Mr. Sperry shows how our elections are being stolen, by both political parties and how this has been going on for a very long time, (since the later half of the nineteenth century). He also goes on to give us a solution to this problem, the "Voter Verified Audit" or VVA for short. Ideally, the plan for the VVA would have to be brought before the Supreme Court and approved as the method to verify elections and keep them honest.
If voting were to suddenly become legitimate, our problems with the politicians, the political parties, the economy, etc. could be fixed. Suddenly politicians would become well aware, that if they act like our bosses and not like our employees, which is what they actually are, we will fire them and replace them with more honest employees. I urge everyone, to please read this. The URL, where Mr. Sperry's HTRA webpage can be found is:
http://www.howtorescueamerica.org/trilogy.html

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 15, 2012 at 10:08pm

Mr. Lombas

You wrote: "Ideally, the plan for the VVA would have to be brought before the Supreme Court and approved as the method to verify elections and keep them honest." - Not so. I am mac Sperry, the developer of Vva. Vva has been designed to operate exclusive of any permission or license of government.

From the article: "It would not require permission or license of government, since it is an independent check of that government. As such it would be independent of the Registrar of Voters. Checking the veracity of the vote should not be the exclusive domain of government. Government checking its own vote count , a count that decides whether that very government retains or relinquiches power, constitutes a clear conflict of interest."

No, Vva is entirely at the discretion of the principal here, the voter. However, expect resistance. Still, it is your vote, it is "our" vote and we have a right to "count our change" i.e. to "verify" that the vote each of us casts is the vote that actually gets counted/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 16, 2012 at 11:35am

Mr. Magnus

You said: "The POINT being you CANNOT PROVE the "Fraud" even if you have a PhD in Computers because it LEAVES no Trace that VOTES were ever changed in the First Place."

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Actually it does leave a trace, "the final count". You see Vva creates an "image" of the election very much like an exit poll, only this image is "on steroids". If the final count of the Registrar of Voters and a Vva don't match, then the Vva (which is a far more robust system) would have to be accepted (in a fair court) as the superior count. The election would have to be run again unless "all" parties can come to an agreement/mac

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Permalink Reply by wayne markley on June 30, 2012 at 6:40pm

I agree with you, WE THE PEOPLE need to do it ourselves, the whole government is corrupt, from the president all the way down. they dont work for the people, they only service themselves, it is sickening how the masses dont see this.

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 30, 2012 at 10:44pm

Mr. Magnus

I notice that through your entire litany of the things that are "broken", you end with: >>Also Banks, Voting, you name it---it is broken

The point of this thread is that, all the things that are broken in government are only broken because of the "vote". Everything you mentioned is only broken because the vote is broken.

Fix the vote and all else gets fixed automatically/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on July 1, 2012 at 11:53am

Mr. Markus

You Said: - - The voter fraud is just another symptom of the massive cancer that has spread throughout the entire system - -

Not so. Voter fraud isn't "another symptom", it is "thee nucleus" from which all the other "symptoms" grows. It is the origin, the starting point. the genesis, the beginning. It is the scaffolding upon which all else is built.

Without vote fraud all the rest of the "cancer" cannot exist, and if removed, all the cancer falls to pieces.

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You said: - - We had a Bloodless Coup of our Government; voting fraud is the least of our problems - -

Indeed we did have a coup, but the reason we did is because of the ending of the vote concurrent with the introduction of martial law in April of 1863. I and others can find nothing that even hints that martial law has ever been rescinded. (See: www.teamlaw.org - in the left column under "Features" click "Historical Outline") - So, voter fraud isn't the "least" of our problems, it is the problem.

The only thing that makes a people who are bound by law to be be free is a "real" vote. Without the vote we are slaves, not metaphorically but actually. Think about it/mac

Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on June 30, 2012 at 10:55pm

Mr. Markley

>>WE THE PEOPLE need to do it ourselves - OK Sir, how do you propose we proceed?/mac

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on July 1, 2012 at 12:54pm

Mr. Magnus

 

You said: - - No nation has EVER Voted its way out of Tyranny that is [Proven by 5,000 years] or recorded history. - -

That simply is not true. First: The Greeks had not just a reliable vote that was able to vote it out of(many times), but keep it from tyranny and it had a stable democracy (a real one as opposed to ours).

 

Second: The Swiss who abandoned their constitution in the early 1930s and adopted the US Constitution. has a history similar to the Greeks.

 

Third: The United States voted its way out of tyranny by the vote to accept the Declaration of independence that initiated The Revolutionary War. And for the first one hundred years, before the end of the vote concurrent with Martial Law of 1863, the vote kept us from tyranny.

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You said: - - The only way I see out of this is another 1776 - - There you go again Mr. Magnus.

 

You, me and everyone associated with you could be rounded up under present "authority" and without charge, due process or even a postcard to your family, be sent to a Gulag to live out the rest of our existence. What ever is done now must be done politically as we cannot risk war. There are other ways. There are always other options.

 

You speak of your war & work record, so I assume it is difficult for a man of your background to understand, that there are other ways of inducing people to conform than the threat of violence. While you were flying aircraft and arresting people as a deputy I was working in laboratory environments.

 

Contractually I cannot reveal to you what I did except to say that some of my previous work is XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX. In my work I knew people who would occasionally allude to (people talk) or even outright tell me of technologies, the kind that could be used against civilian populations.

 

If you think you "can't see any other way" to fix the situation than to boldly march out with the two-hundred million .22s, shotguns & slingshots Americans possess, you might not get beyond your front door. Besides, why fight when you can win without fighting. Those at our door are the progeny of people lost to previous U.S. vs ??? fighting.Fighting is how we got here.

 

Sure, a well trained & armed(equal fire-power) Militia is necessary as a backup if all else fails, but there's good reason to believe our adversary may be interested in a "deal", as I've written elsewhere on this site. It's part of the Hegelian philosophy they hold so dear. They don't just believe in "synthesis"(compromise), they're expecting it/mac

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Permalink Reply by ETXPatriot (NETP) on July 2, 2012 at 4:37am

"If you think you "can't see any other way" to fix the situation than to boldly march out with the two-hundred million .22s, shotguns & slingshots Americans possess, you might not get beyond your front door."

While there may be .22's, shotguns and slingshots that we possess, we also have nearly as many M-16's, AR's, AK's, M-14's, M-1's, FAL's, etc and how many other high powered rifles assault type weapons. Hence why Clinton and his ilk tried to ban them unconstitutionally.

And they are not there to start a war, they are there to prevent it. Along with your voting technology you hold so dear.

Mr. Sperry I still do not understand why you feel it necessary to use that quote when speaking of these things.

To me you sound like a salesman who can't stop repeating his sales pitch.

And when this is the case "You, me and everyone associated with you could be rounded up under present "authority" and without charge, due process or even a postcard to your family, be sent to a Gulag to live out the rest of our existence. What ever is done now must be done politically as we cannot risk war.

Then maybe it's time to break out the slingshots and remind these people of why we have the 2nd amendment. Then if they refuse to listen then we break out the .22s, and then the shotguns. Then if the voting can't be restored, and they still won't heed our cries for redress, well then it's maybe time to show them what those slingshots, .22s, and shotguns have standing behind them??

I can agree with the voting needing to be fixed and that there are always alternatives to war, but Mr Sperry your insistence on trying to make US out to be common people with inferior weapons does really nothing to win you favor here.

Whether you think so or not, you are offending every member here who believes that we are READY for what ever comes our way. Slingshots, 22's and all.

Either get a new sales pitch or lose that part of your hook in trying to win favors for your cause.

Would you also please tell everyone that your just advocating this technology, a do not have any financial or personal gain in seeing it brought to fruition, other than helping to restore our REPUBLIC, because we are and have never been a Democracy and I for on would feel better knowing your not just trying to sell us another gimmick.

Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on July 2, 2012 at 1:26pm

I have a "man in the middle" attacker who is attacking my messages as I write them. This is the third time I'm trying to send this reply to ETXPatriot's reply.

I will just say, I am on the ground here in the US and have not fled to some hole in some third world nation as some others have done. I'm in the mouth of the lion and am well aware of it. I am also well aware of my obligation to the cause of "freedom".

I will tell you Mr. ETXPatriot that the idea is not to fight, it is to win.

You said: - - While there may be .22's, shotguns and slingshots that we possess, we also have nearly as many M-16's, AR's, AK's, M-14's, M-1's, FAL's, etc - -

Tough lethal, all of the weapons you list are 150 year old technology.

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You said: - - but Mr Sperry your insistence on trying to make US out to be common people with inferior weapons does really nothing to win you favor here. - -

I think Americans are rather uncommon people, but the state of their weaponry, though still lethal, is inferior when compared to the likes of what any major adversary would possess. Though silent on the issue, the 2^nd amendments intention had to have been “equal fire-power”. That clearly does not exist and is a problem that will have to be solved before consistent victory could be reasonably expected.

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You said: - - Whether you think so or not, you are offending every member here who believes that we are READY for what ever comes our way.- -

I think your best chance of success will come with the constant thought that you may not be ready. Have you ever been wrong about something important? Did you know your were right before you suddenly discovered you were wrong? Of course. The good feeling of confidence is not a valid test of the correctness of any thought, idea, plan, or strategy.

The wisest approach is to never think you're “ready”. To always think that you are never “ready.” That way you will be far more likely to actually be “ready”.

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You said: - - Would you also please tell everyone that your just advocating this technology, a do not have any financial or personal gain in seeing it brought to fruition, other than helping to restore our REPUBLIC - -

I'm not just "advocating” this technology, I'm telling you Vva or something like it is by far our best chance. And no, I am not financially or personally gaining in any way. In fact, I figure I'm probably going to wind up incarcerated or assassinated doing all this.

One other thing, I'm most interested in maintaining “freedom”, as with it we can got everything else we need. As to the “REPUBLIC”. I believe the only real solution is to follow the advise of the old folks when they'd say “if ya want it done right, do it yourself”. That sounds like “DEMOCRACY” to me/mac

Permalink Reply by Chancy Yardbird on July 1, 2012 at 1:10pm

Mr. Sperry, You wrote "Indeed we did have a coup, but the reason we did is because of the ending of the vote concurrent with the introduction of martial law in April of 1863. I and others can find nothing that even hints that martial law has ever been rescinded."

I believe President Andrew Johnson's Proclamation !57 on August 20, 1866 did that following the terms of surrender being signed among the several confederate commands and forces began By Lee in Va.

"Declaring that Peace, Order, Tranquillity, and Civil Authority Now Exists in and Throughout the Whole of the United States of America "

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
Whereas by proclamations of the 15th and 19th of April, 1861, the President of the United States, in virtue of the power vested in him by the Constitution and the laws, declared that the laws of the United States were opposed and the execution thereof obstructed in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings or by the powers vested in the marshals by law; and

Whereas by another proclamation, made on the 16th day of August, in the same year, in pursuance of an act of Congress approved July 13, 1861, the inhabitants of the States of Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Florida (except the inhabitants of that part of the State of Virginia lying west of the Alleghany Mountains, and except also the inhabitants of such other parts of that State and the other States before named as might maintain a loyal adhesion to the Union and the Constitution or might be from time to time occupied and controlled by forces of the United States engaged in the dispersion of insurgents) were declared to be in a state of insurrection against the United States; and

Whereas by another proclamation, of the 1st day of July, 1862, issued in pursuance of an act of Congress approved June 7, in the same year, the insurrection was declared to be still existing in the States aforesaid, with the exception of certain specified counties in the State of Virginia: and

Whereas by another proclamation, made on the 2d day of April, 1863, in pursuance of the act of Congress of July 13, 1861, the exceptions named in the proclamation of August 16, 1861, were revoked and the inhabitants of the States of Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties of Virginia designated as West Virginia and the ports of New Orleans, Key West, Port Royal, and Beaufort, in North Carolina) were declared to be still in a state of insurrection against the United States; and

Whereas by another proclamation, of the 15th day of September, 1863, made in pursuance of the act of Congress approved March 3, 1863, the rebellion was declared to be still existing and the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus was in certain specified cases suspended throughout the United States, said suspension to continue throughout the duration of the rebellion or until said proclamation should, by a subsequent one to be issued by the President of the United States, be modified or revoked; and

Whereas the House of Representatives, on the 22d day of July, 1861, adopted a resolution in the words following, namely:

Resolved by the House of Representatives of the Congress of the United States, That the present deplorable civil war has been forced upon the country by the dis-unionists of the Southern States now in revolt against the constitutional Government and in arms around the capital; that in this national emergency Congress, banishing all feelings of mere passion or resentment, will recollect only its duty to the whole country that this war is not waged upon our part in any spirit of oppression. nor for any purpose of conquest or subjugation, nor purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those States, but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and to preserve the Union. with all the dignity, equality, and rights of the several States unimpaired; and that as soon as these objects are accomplished the war ought to cease.

And whereas the Senate of the United States, on the 25th day of July, 1861, adopted a resolution in the words following, to wit:

Resolved , That the present deplorable civil war has been forced upon the country by the disunionists of the Southern States now in revolt against the constitutional Government and in arms around the capital; that in this national emergency Congress, banishing all feeling of mere passion or resentment, will recollect only its duty to the whole country; that this war is not prosecuted upon our part in any spirit of oppression, nor for any purpose of conquest or subjugation, nor purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those States, but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and all laws made in pursuance thereof and to preserve the Union, with all the dignity, equality, and rights of the several States unimpaired; that as soon as these objects are accomplished the war ought to cease.

And whereas these resolutions, though not joint or concurrent in form, are substantially identical, and as such have hitherto been and yet are regarded as having expressed the sense of Congress upon the subject to which they relate; and

Whereas the President of the United States, by proclamation of the 13th of June, 1865, declared that the insurrection in the State of Tennessee had been suppressed, and that the authority of the United States therein was undisputed, and that such United States officers as had been duly commissioned were in the undisturbed exercise of their official functions; and

Whereas the President of the United States, by further proclamation, issued on the 2d day of April, 1866, did promulgate and declare that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens or others to the authority of the United States in any or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States;

And did further declare in the same proclamation that it is the manifest determination of the American people that no State, of its own will, has a right or power to go out of, or separate itself from, or be separated from, the American Union; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States;

And did further declare in the same last-mentioned proclamation that the several aforementioned States, excepting Texas, had in the manner aforesaid given satisfactory evidence that they acquiesce in this sovereign and important resolution of national unity; and

Whereas the President of the United States in the same proclamation did further declare that it is believed to be a fundamental principle of government that the people who have revolted and who have been overcome and subdued must either be dealt with so as to induce them voluntarily to become friends or else they must be held by absolute military power or devastated so as to prevent them from ever again doing harm as enemies, which last-named policy is abhorrent to humanity and to freedom; and

Whereas the President did in the same proclamation further declare that the Constitution of the United States provides for constituent communities only as States, and not as Territories, dependencies, provinces, or protectorates;

And further, that such constituent States must necessarily be, and by the Constitution and laws of the United States are, made equals and placed upon a like footing as to political rights, immunities, dignity, and power with the several States with which they are united;

And did further declare that the observance of political equality, as a principle of right and justice, is well calculated to encourage the people of the before-named States, except Texas, to be and to become more and more constant and persevering in their renewed allegiance; and

Whereas the President did further declare that standing armies, military occupation, martial law, military tribunals, and the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus are in time of peace dangerous to public liberty, incompatible with the individual rights of the citizen, contrary to the genius and spirit of our free institutions, and exhaustive of the national resources, and ought not, therefore, to be sanctioned or allowed except in cases of actual necessity for repelling invasion or suppressing insurrection or rebellion;

And the President did further, in the same proclamation, declare that the policy of the Government of the United States from the beginning of the insurrection to its overthrow and final suppression had been conducted in conformity with the principles in the last-named proclamation recited; and

Whereas the President, in the said proclamation of the 13th of June, 1865, upon the grounds therein stated and hereinbefore recited, did then and thereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the several States before named, except in Texas, was at an end and was henceforth to be so regarded; and

Whereas subsequently to the said 2d day of April, 1866, the insurrection in the State of Texas has been completely and everywhere suppressed and ended and the authority of the United States has been successfully and completely established in the said State of Texas and now remains therein unresisted and undisputed, and such of the proper United States officers as have been duly commissioned within the limits of the said State are now in the undisturbed exercise of their official functions; and

Whereas the laws can now be sustained and enforced in the said State of Texas by the proper civil authority, State or Federal, and the people of the said State of Texas, like the people of the other States before named, are well and loyally disposed and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment of the Constitution of the United States prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States; and

Whereas all the reasons and conclusions set forth in regard to the several States therein specially named now apply equally and in all respects to the State of Texas, as well as to the other States which had been involved in insurrection; and

Whereas adequate provision has been made by military orders to enforce the execution of the acts of Congress, aid the civil authorities, and secure obedience to the Constitution and laws of the United States within the State of Texas if a resort to military force for such purpose should at any time become necessary:

Now, therefore, I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the State of Texas is at an end and is to be henceforth so regarded in that State as in the other States before named in which the said insurrection was proclaimed to be at an end by the aforesaid proclamation of the 2d day of April, 1866.

And I do further proclaim that the said insurrection is at an end and that peace, order, tranquillity, and civil authority now exist in and throughout the whole of the United States of America.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington, this 20th day of August, A.D. 1866, and of the Independence of the United States of America the ninety-first.

ANDREW JOHNSON.

By the President:

WILLIAM H. SEWARD,

Secretary of State

Read more at the American Presidency Project: Andrew Johnson: Proclamation 157 - Declaring that Peace, Order, Tranquillity, and Civil Authority Now Exists in and Throughout the Whole of the United States of America http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=71992#ixzz1zP4Mlvwt

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Permalink Reply by mac Sperry on July 1, 2012 at 1:37pm

Clancy

 

You said: - - "I believe President Andrew Johnson's Proclamation !97 on August 20, 1866 did that **(rescinded/revoked Martial Law of 1863)following the terms of surrender being signed among the several confederate commands and forces began By Lee in Va." - -

**added for clarity

If I am wrong I will happily revoke any statement I made to the contrary that Martial Law of 1863 had not been rescinded. Now, are you referring to the following paragraph from President Johnson's Proclamation?

- - "Whereas the President did further declare that standing armies, military occupation, martial law, military tribunals, and the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus are in time of peace dangerous to public liberty, incompatible with the individual rights of the citizen, contrary to the genius and spirit of our free institutions, and exhaustive of the national resources, and ought not, therefore, to be sanctioned or allowed except in cases of actual necessity for repelling invasion or suppressing insurrection or rebellion;..." - -

Would you agree that the following sentence is the most active of that paragraph? - - "and ought not, therefore, to be sanctioned or allowed except in cases of actual necessity"- -

I see no word like "rescinded"  or "revoked". There do however seem to be vague exceptions to what ever it is this paragraph was intended to communicate which it seems, could negate or reverse its meaning.

 

mac

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