I mistakenly sent all the weapons and ammo group this, so Iam going to try this again. I do not know much about tactical weapons. I can only afford one rifle right now. I would like to have a gun that I can go to training events with and also hunt big game with. The 308 would fit that catagory although the 270 would also. The 223 would most likely be the best rifle to go to training with because of the lesser cost of ammo, but I would not be able to hunt with it.  I wanted to ask every body thier opinions on what they think from their experience, if you could only buy one gun for both purposes what make and caliber would you purchase and why? I know that there are a lot of makes out there, and many of them are good, but which one would you choose?

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My suggestion is one that will cost a bit more as you build it, but it will give you two caliber options. Go with the AR-15 in 5.56 for training and proficiency, and purchase a 6.5 Grendel upper, bolt, and magazines for hunting...and better tactical results. For a basic system to start with, there are any number of good AR platforms to go with. I'm sure the others will speak their piece on the subject, but my current choice is the P415 from POF-USA. Alexander Arms has complete 6.5 Grendel uppers and magazines.

I'd recommend starting with the AR, whichever one you choose, and accessorize and train with it for a while. After you build up the budget a bit more, go ahead and get the second upper with whatever accessories you feel like you need. Ammunition for 5.56 is cheap and plentiful, while 6.5G is more costly and not quite as available. Nevertheless, you can find 6.5G at various locations, and stockpile it when it becomes available. Midway and a couple others have what you need. Remember one thing about 5.56, which is that it is sufficient for small game. It isn't legal for taking that trophy muley, but there's a lot of other, smaller game that's good for meat on the table. That's not to say a well placed 5.56 won't take that muley, just that it isn't legal under normal circumstances.

Some may recommend going with the 6.8 SPC, and I won't knock it, but believe the better option to be with the 6.5G. Ballistics at longer ranges are superior in 6.5G and come close (exceed, in some cases) to 7.62x51 at a thousand yards. That's important to some folks like me.

Sarg,I am pedijudiced and agree with the M-14, the Mil version surplus is the one I have,and it has quality glass in the form of a Sheperd P-3 on it.

 

Layton

My Unit used the M 14 back in 1965/66 until we received the M 16. Loved the M 14 then and still do. Wish I had one.

If you take the seeier and tie it back, you can fire it fully auto. You could fild it of hold it back using other means but you may not want your weapon firing up all of your ammo all in one setting.

I totally agree with MSgt (he beat me to the punch), go with an M1A, put some good glass on it. As a cheaper option (if the M1A is out of your price range), go with either an FN FAL or HK-91/G3 clone. You can pick up either of these for around $700-1K.

 

Good luck!

Hey, you can't hardly go wrong there. Chuckles.. Of course, I heard of a guy in the army that used his entrenching tool as a weapon. Split the other guys skull wide open. It was most unfortunate for the other guy because he never had the chance to learn that what he did was bigtime wrong. Dead on the Floor.
I cut my daisy down to 11 inches. it makes it easier to use in a vehicle but the flash and recoil is a bit much.
I bought a case of 1000 for $300. I am such an ass, I found out that they are Chinese and have berdan primers. My neighbor thinks it's funny because I can't reload them. I sold them to a kid down the block for $400.

Shoot me with the bb gun please. Not the sling shot. I have been hit with both. The ball bearings launched at you with a Wrist Rocket hurt like the dickens...

.44 cal lead muzzle loader balls are nasty from a wrist rocket. I thumped a dog that whizzed on the rally wheels on my 390 GTA (that's how long ago it was) with that set-up. No more dog whizz on my car, and he crossed the street to avoid me after that.

I used a model 700 bdl 300 mag.!000 mtrs easy.

 

There is no doubt about that. But where would I be able to live fire several different types of weapons like those mentioned on here?
Aurora Gun Club on the weekends. That is where I do all my shooting. As a non member you will have to sign in I believe (i'm not sure as my dad has membership and I usually go with him). They have a 200yrd and a 100yrd range plus several pistol berms and of course a trap area and an area for skeet shooting.

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